You're listening to Two Sides of FI, a conversation between two lifelong friends about financial independence - what it takes to get there and what comes after. One of us reached FI in 2020, the other in 2024. We started this show to document our different paths, and now that we're both post-FI, we're still figuring out how to use the freedom we spent years working toward. I'm Eric and I'm joined by my friend Jason, and this is our story.
Episodes
Sunday Dec 14, 2025
Sunday Dec 14, 2025
Is slow travel in retirement all that we hoped or is the dream far better than the reality? In this episode, Jason talks with Eric about his recent experiences during a month-long US road trip. Learn how the trip ended up way over budget, compare how Eric+Jason manage expenses, and whether they would do it again - and much more.
Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/slowtravel
Sunday Sep 21, 2025
Sunday Sep 21, 2025
Are we really ready to walk away from Two Sides of FI? In this candid conversation, Jason and Eric reflect on more than four years of recording together, what the project has meant, and whether it still fits into their lives. They talk openly about the rewards of community and connection, the challenges of generating new topics, and the weight of obligations in retirement. Is this the end, or just a pause? Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/goodbye Jason's blog post: https://www.thenextphaseisnow.com/p/goodbye
Sunday Sep 07, 2025
Sunday Sep 07, 2025
Retirement doesn’t follow a script - it rewrites itself in real time. In this episode, Jason and Eric unpack why the classic “phases” of retirement actually overlap and how that feels day to day. They dig into the challenges of switching from super-saver to intentional spender, using side income (like options trading or creative work) to fund experiences without derailing the plan, and how travel has changed for them. No matter where you are on the FIRE path, there's something here for you.
Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/phases
Sunday Aug 17, 2025
Sunday Aug 17, 2025
What happens when the plan was “we”… and now it’s just “me”? At 45, Kayla reached Financial Independence solo after divorce, living in the Bay Area without a tech salary. In this episode of Two Sides of FI, she shares how she rebuilt her finances, overcame her fear of investing, and designed a plan that works without a partner’s income or support. In this episode, Learn how a saving mentality and discovering the FIRE community in her 30s led her to the realization that early retirement was within her reach and how she achieved it.
Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/kayla
Sunday Jul 13, 2025
Sunday Jul 13, 2025
Most don't stop to think about how much they might be missing by working "just one more year." It's impossible to put a price tag on some of the experiences Eric + Jason have had since leaving full time work behind. In today's episode, they talk about things they'd never have done before retiring early, the freedom that FIRE afford, and much more. Don't miss the show notes below for details on their work history and their journeys to financial independence.
Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/wrong
Sunday Jun 29, 2025
Sunday Jun 29, 2025
In Part 5 of our SWR Toolbox series, we answer your questions about our CAPE-based withdrawal strategy, how it compares to a fixed safe withdrawal rate approach, and much more. See the link below for all of our toolbox videos including tutorials and a host of supportive content in the show notes.
FREE SWR tool and show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/toolbox
Sunday Jun 15, 2025
Sunday Jun 15, 2025
Are FIRE content creators being honest about their numbers? YouTuber Duane isn't so sure. In this episode, Eric and Jason share detailed insights about their own FIRE numbers, portfolios, withdrawal rates, and what it actually means to be "retired." They also explain why context matters more than a single number, and get honest about how content creation fits into their financial picture. If you've ever wondered how real people make FIRE work, this one’s for you.
Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/numbers
Sunday Jun 01, 2025
Sunday Jun 01, 2025
What’s the scariest part of retiring early? For many, it's not just about money—it's the unknowns that come after leaving work behind. In this candid conversation, Eric and Jason unpack the biggest fears they and others faced on the path to FIRE, from financial worries and healthcare to identity shifts and societal judgment. Whether you're planning your own early retirement or already there, this episode will help you feel less alone and more prepared.
Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/fears
Sunday May 18, 2025
Sunday May 18, 2025
After five years of early retirement and 100 episodes of Two Sides of FI, what have we learned? A lot—and we're sharing it all. To mark this milestone, Eric and Jason sit down for an honest, wide-ranging AMA based on questions from our community. We cover everything from money and mindset shifts to healthcare, travel, and even music choices. Whether you're already on your FIRE path or just curious what life really looks like on the other side, this conversation is for you.
Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/episode100
Sunday May 04, 2025
Sunday May 04, 2025
With markets down at one point nearly 20% in 2025, is this the sequence risk moment we feared? In this episode, we reflect on recent market volatility, how it’s impacted our early retirement finances, and whether our original FIRE strategy can still hold up. We also catch up post-Liberation Day and share how our thinking has evolved after real-world stress testing our withdrawal plan. If you're navigating FIRE in 2025—or just wondering what a 20% portfolio loss feels like—this one's for you.
Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/chaos